Post a picture of your gun and the experts can tell you more about what you have. I am just passing on what I have read or the great Winchester experts on this forum have told me. Winchester were trying to go cheap at the end of production of the model 12 and there maybe some cast or cheaper parts in the later model 12s. The new cast receivers were used on all the post y2000000 guns. All model 12s manufactured after the 1968 law had to have a Y prefix. Mine was built of the pre-64 parts after the 1968 gun control act. The numbers are printed near where the barrel connects to the rifle frame. Locate the serial letters on the left-hand side of the barrel. I have a super pigeon with a Y196xxxx serial number and have seen later serial numbers on guns without a Y. These numbers along with some basic knowledge about the rifle model itself is all that the collector needs in order to determine the age of his rifle. If the number is three digits, that is the count, if the number is two digits a leading 3 is implied. The receivers were in a bin and the first one picked up was what was used. stamped the actual pellet counts of their test patterns on the rear barrel lug of their Model 1889 hammer doubles and their Model 18 hammerless doubles. The guns were not always built based on serial numbers. The end of production in 1963-4 ended with numbers 196xxxx. You have not said if your gun has a factory rib or a field gun with no rib. When Winchester stopped production of the model 12, there were several hundred receivers and parts set aside for the custom shop to make special order guns. Any assistance would be very much appreciated. The gun in question is in near mint condition and has some real nice wood on it. What's the real difference between a post 64 gun and a "Y" gun. Is the value of a post 64 but pre "Y" less than a comparable pre 64 gun? I believe "Y" model serial numbers started at 2 million so what is the story on post 64 pre "Y" guns? Were there Model 12's made after 1964 made using the same components as the pre 64's?ĭid all post 64 guns use the investment castings and cheaper components. He does not specifically mention "Y" models prior to serial number 2,000,000 and this particular gun is alleged to have been made in 1971 and has a black pistol grip cap with no lettering on it. With a four digit serial number it would have been built before April 1932, and would be the first or (1931) version. At that time the Model 31A 'Standard' Grade came with checkered stock and forearm. In Stadt's book he says "Trap, Skeet and Field: 12 Gauge (1972-1976)" "Production guns with rectangular post ribs, engine turned bolts and carriers, new checking patterns, and a new metal pistol grip cap saying "Winchester Repeating Arms" were introduced in 1972" He goes on to say "These new guns were made from investment castings." When the Model 31 was introduced it was a three-shot 12-gauge pump. There is one available that is post 64 but not a "Y" model.
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